Here are your responses regarding the Artemije piece on
NATO_at_Work
Balkans is an open nerve, and every touch brings many angry responses (see below). I’ll just add my view (at the very bottom). As you’ll see, our Albanian friends became upset. They can learn from our American friends who do not hesitate to take a position against the US government and even against the deep laying American idea. We all are traitors to the causes our masters want us to stick to. Let us try to take it easy, less personal, and let us have out final goal in mind. The article was called Kouchner’s Crime exactly because I consider NATO (not the Serbs neither Albanians) the main criminal in the Yugoslavian tragedy.
From Ken Freeland, Texas ,
Kouchner is not mentioned in the article. Can you explain his connection with these events?
(He was the gauleiter of NATO-occupied Kosovo. Shamir)
Thanks VERY MUCH for publishing this! I visited Yugoslavia with a delegation immediately after the war, and I vouch for everything the archbishop writes.
Peace,
ken
From Olsi, Tirana , Albania
Dear Israel Shamir,
Your
latest posting in your shamireaders forum of the letter of Bishop Artemija, has
shaked the image of freedom fighter that I have for you in my mind. Even that I
do not share positive thoughts on NATO and the new Sarkozy regime, I cannot
accept that for the sake of attacking the bad guys we ally ourselves with each
and every propagandist and liar that comes up in the street and starts spitting
around. This is true about the propagandistic article of Bishop Artemije, who
according to many Albanians is a war criminal, equal with Slobodan Milosevic and
your Ariel Sharon.
His article that you have forwarded below, goes
contrary to your ideas on the Ottoman Empire that you presented in your article
“Ottoman Empire, please come back”. The Serbs who complain today for the recent
NATO bombing were themselves part of the dirty western tricks of colonization
and invasion in early 20th century, when they, like the Zionists, invaded
Kosova, exterminated its local Muslim population and colonized it with Serbian
settlers. [So, Olsi, how come Kosovo is 90% Albanian?- ISH] Serbian Zionism that
Artemije speaks in his article for – by claiming like the Zionist do – that
Kosova is their holy place, is a fundamentalist and dangerous ideology equal
with Zionism. This ideology of Holiness is what is making Palestine suffer today and
has made Kosova suffer for the last 100 years.
Serbian politicians, from
Vuk Drashkovic up to Slobodan Milosevic continuously compare themselves with the
Zionists and have asked for the help of Israel on suppressing the Albanians
of Kosova. [So did Kosovars, too – they used the Holocaust imagery as much as
anybody – ISH] But, as Allah says in Quran that: ‘They prepare intrigues, but
Allah destroys their intrigues.’ The NATO and American intervention in Kosova
made the Serbian Zionists to come into conflict with the big Israeli and US
Zionists. But the confrontation of NATO with the Serbs has nothing to do with
the Ottomans, Albanian KLA or any other Muslim conspiracy against the brave
Christians Serbs as Bishop Artemije claims.
It was the plight of Albanian
Kosovars who suffered worst than the Palestinians for the last 100 years that
made the West move for appeasing them. And this did not come because the
Americans and Europeans felt any sorry for the Albanians of Kosova. The problem
was that the Palestinization of Kosova was so desperate, as the conflict
threatened to engulf the whole Balkans and Europe . But we should bear something in mind: the
Palestinian case as the Kosovar case have one genesis. That is the destruction
of the Ottoman Empire and the Eastern Question
that awarded Serbs and Zionists alike with the pieces of the Ottoman Muslim
prey.
Serbian rape of Kosovar women, their killings of Albanians from
1912 to 1999 were in such an industrial scale, that since 1912 from the Balkans
some 3 million Muslims have either been killed or expelled. But as Allah made
miracles with the suppressed blacks of South Africa , (and he will certainly
help one day the Palestinians free themselves from the Zionist yoke), the same
happened in Kosova. God invented the Americans, who, apart from their criminal
record in the recent history, either by accident or through their imperial
calculations pushed the Serbian yoke away from Kosova. But this does not mean
that they are the allies of Albanians. Far from it. If you go in Kosova today
you shall see the massive poverty, corruption and fear that they have installed
in the country.
The Kosovars freed themselves from the Serbian yoke to be place under the American yoke. The Kosovars Muslims are not being treated better by the Americans today. Many are thinking with nostalgia the good old days of Tito when they were richer, treated as humans and were not in such an inferior status that the Serbs but even Americans put them at present. The Kosovars are suffering from the Americans even religiously. Thousands of missionaries have invaded Kosova and are exploiting the poverty of the locals to convert them into Christians. What the Serbs failed to do by tanks and guns, the Americans are making by bread and brainwashing.
Nevertheless, we should not
regret the American intervention in Kosova. Thanks to the American leviathan,
the Albanians today are freer than during Bishop Artemije and Slobodan’s days.
They can at list speak and write their language in public. They can go out in
streets without the fear that the Serbian military will kill them only because
they are not Serbs,… as Ehud Olmert is making targeted killings in Gaza and West Bank . And
today, after 90 years of Serbian yoke, they can dream that one day the Christian
West will be merciful enough and allow the Ottoman Muslims of Kosova to have
their own state or freedom, or whatever you might call it. Even though I doubt a
lot.
Thank you
Olsi J.
From Dr Sugar Andras, Budapest, Hungary
It is an eloquent text by this bishop but I cannot forget all those acts of murder and genocide committed by the Titoist gangs of Serbs in 1944 against innocent Hungarians in Vojvodina killing at least 40.000 men, women and children, as well as the barbarian slaughter of innumerable innocent civilians in Croatia by the Milosevic gang, not mentioning the current "smooth" ethnic cleansing by changing the population rates in Vojvodina in favor of the Serbian refugees from Kosovo, let alone the Karadzic and Mladic massacres in Bosnia. The bishop seems to forget that Albanians account for 90% of the population of Kosovo, which alone justifies the wish of the people for full independence.
Yours ever András Sugár,
Budapest
From Yousef Salem, Palestine - US
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Ahlan, ya akh Israel . I hope you and family are well.
Did I miss something in this article? I did not see any mention of Bernard Kouchner in it. Also, the veracity of the Serbs will always be questioned in my mind considering their cold-blooded and wanton murders and their raping of tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslim women, teens, pre-teens, and little children - including little boys - in what many still refuse to call "war crimes" and "atrocities" against a largely unarmed civilian population. Serbia , let us remember, was an arms manufacturing country while Bosnia-Herzogovina was not. I daresay that the Turks and Albanians would have a rather different version of the situations enumerated in this article by this bishop who probably sanctioned the Sebian crimes against humanity and perhaps remained silent during those mass murders and rapes, and I am certain that I would lean towards their version and not that of the Serbs.
I think that it is patently wrong to present articles such as this one whose authors may be tainted with prejudice without first requesting an account from those that he accuses, viz., the Turks and Albanians. While the carnage was taking place we had a number of panel discussions with Bosnian, Serb, and Croat speakers and I recall clearly how the latter two were caught lying over and over while not one statement from the Bosnian prime minister was found to be false.
With all good thoughts of you and your family,
Yousef |
From Tom Mysiewicz, the US
The policy regarding Kosovo reflects almost true schizophrenia. Moslems are evil and to be detested and attacked everywhere in the world except in the former Soviet (now CIS) sphere of influence, where they are to be considered freedom fighters. We see a similar treatment of the regime in Burma , where Buddhists (who would normally be considered pagan idolaters in the Neocon-Christian Zionist playbook) are seen as patriots and defenders of freedom.
From: Charles F. Moreira, Malaysia
Soros paid for anti-Milosevic gangs
Hmmm! Maybe I should join a
Soros backed NGO and I'll probably be driving a BMW -- but then again, I might
as well sell my soul to devil. Basically all this "democracy," "human rights,"
"independent media," etc business is all about enabling the western imperialists
to get a political and economic foothold in various countries, much like the
British colonialists backed one sultan in a war against another in return to the
sultan accepting a British "advisor" to tell him what to do thereafter.
While
Tun Mahathir was no angel, not all of his opponents are friends either and could
be worse, depending on their agendas, overt or hidden. If Mahathir had not taken
some of the unpopular currency control measures which he did nearly 10 years
ago, we'd all quite probably be a lot poorer today.
"Of course, in the case
of Yugoslavia, ultimately the Soros approach was not enough so the overwhelming
might of the U.S. military was brought into play.* So when the softly, softly
approach fails, bring on the mailed fist of military might to achieve the same
geostrategic objective. You'll find lots more of these articles on Soros at http://users. cyberone. com.au/myers/ soros.html
Charles
F. Moreira
Soros gave $ to Solidarity,
Charter 77, Sakharov, & the anti-Milosevic opposition
by Neil Clark,
New Statesman, June 2, 2003
A review by Karen Talbot
http://www.globalre search.ca/ articles/ TAL307A.html
3jul03
George Soros, is known as a Hungarian philanthropist, a proponent of
human rights and the "open society," and, just incidentally, a financier - one
of the richest men in the world. What of the NGOs Soros established and
finances? Who are the other leaders of these groups? Clark informs us that at
Human Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, U.S. assistant
secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-1989` and now a
fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations; Warren Zimmerman former ambassador
"whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break up of that country"; and
Paul Goble, director of communications "at the CIA-created Radio Free
Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds)."
According to Clark, Soros'
International Crisis Group "boasts such 'independent' luminaries as the former
national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinki and Richard Allen, as well as
General Wesley Clark, once NATO supreme allied commander for Europe . The group's vice-chairman is the former
congressman Stephen Solarz, once described as 'the Israel
lobby's chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill' and a signatory, along with
the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a notorious letter to
President Clinton in 1998 calling for a 'comprehensive political and military
strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime'."
Take the collapse of the Soviet Union , for example. Clark points out that "Soros'
role was crucial: "From 1979, he distributed $3 million a year to dissidents
including Poland's solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei
Sakharov in the Soviet Union. In 1984, he founded his first Open Society
Institute in Hungary and pumped millions of
dollars into opposition movements and independent media. Ostensibly aimed at
building up a 'civil society", these initiatives were designed to weaken the
existing political structures and pave the way for eastern Europe's eventual
exploitation by global capital. Soros now claims with characteristic immodesty,
that he was responsible for the "Americanization" of eastern Europe."
More recently, there is the case
of Yugoslavia . As Clark puts it: "The Yugoslavs remained stubbornly
resistant and repeatedly returned Slobodan Milosevic's reformed Socialist Party
to government. Soros was equal to the challenge. From 1991, his Open Society
Institute channeled more than $100 million to the coffers of the anti-Milosevic
opposition, funding political parties, publishing houses and" "independent"
media such as Radio B92, the plucky little student radio station of western
mythology, which was in reality bankrolled b one of the world's richest men on
behalf of the world's most powerful nation. With Slobo finally toppled in 2000
in a coup d'etat financed, planned and executed in Washington all that was left
was to cart the ex Yugoslav leader to the Hague tribunal, co-financed by Soros
along with other custodians of human rights, Time Warner Corporation and Disney.
He faced charges of crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide, based in
the main on the largely anecdotal evidence of (you guessed it) Human Rights
Watch."
Clark points out that "since the fall of Milosevic , Serbia , under the auspices of Soros-
backed "reformers", has become less, not more, free. The recently lifted state
of emergency saw more than 4,000 people arrested, many of them without charge,
political parties threatened with bans, and critical newspapers closed down"
This has been so blatant that it was condemned by the UN Commission on Human
Rights and the British Helsinki Group
"Soros has made money in every
country he has helped to prise 'open'. In Kosovo, for example, he has invested
$50 million in an attempt to gain control of the Trepca mine complex, where
there are vast reserves of gold, silver, lead and other minerals estimated to be
worth in the region of $5 billion. He thus copied a pattern he has deployed to
great effect over the whole of eastern Europe of advocating 'shocking therapy'
and 'economic reform', then swooping in with his associate to buy valuable state
assets at knock-down prices," according to Clark.*
In Hungary , Soros is the benefactor of the Free
Democrats party "which has pursued the classic Soros agenda of privatization and
economic liberalization- --leading to a widening gap between rich and poor," says
Clark .
Of course, in the case of
Yugoslavia, ultimately the Soros approach was not enough so the overwhelming
might of the U.S. military was brought into play.*
From Israel Shamir
In my view,
(1) Nothing good came out of destruction of Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires.
(2) Yugoslavia was a very problematic construct, to start with.
(3) Dissolution of Yugoslavia was, anyway, a painful and traumatic imperialism- inspired event. (4) Nato bombing of Serbia was certainly a crime and an aggression; wars of Yugoslavian successor states were wars of secession, a sort of civil wars.
(5) As a rule, secession is bad (for people), while struggle for equality is good.
(6) Everybody suffered a lot in Yugoslavian wars, and it is a lesson against secession attempts. (7) The Kosovo Albanians have their counterparts in Albanians of FYRM, Germans of Tyrol, Swedes of Finland, Russians of Estonia and many other similar communities. The exemplary attitude was that of Finland to Aland Islands , and that is the attitude we may promote and wish to implement.
(8) NATO occupation of Kosovo is still illegal and should be terminated.
(9) Kosovo under Tito fared better than Albania ; if Kosovars were able to see Albania before beginning the secession war, probably they would desist.
(10) The solution lays on the way of integration of the East, not in the way of further fragmentation.